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Crystal service, not which one specifically. There is a bus sreivce to York Mills and one to Union Station (I think it goes down to Etobicoke North where you switch the train).I have been saying for years that Kitchener should get train sreivce.But right now as it stands right now KW will get less sreivce than Bolton, I find that wrong.When you have taken enough train rides around the world you get to know what's better, I prefer GO Trains for the GTHA.
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iyqXizQWXfASfAqG “Now if only GO would invest some serious money into upgrading the tracks to allow for faster speeds (hopefully up to 160km/h west of Brampton) to allow trip times of less than an hour. Currently it takes 1 hour 36 minutes by VIA and about the same (depending on traffic) by Greyhound, and the GO train will take more like 2 hours because it makes more stops. Doing this will make the train much more competitive with driving or the bus. This is needed on Peterborough as well if it is ever upgraded, otherwise it is faster to take the bus.”Upgrading to 160 km/h would involve some hefty investment in curves and signalling. I doubt that the trains would run local all the way from Kitchener to Union. They would be hauling too many empty seats for too many miles to make it worth while. I bet that they will run express from Bramalea to Toronto with a local coming out just after them.James says:November 14, 2010 at 8:57 pm“Something missing here, I think, is the need for the province to step and contract with VIA to provide service where desired. Several U.S. States have done this with Amtrak, using it to provide commuter or student-friendly or tourist rail services that were not commercially viable or federally subsidized.”I think that GO/MetroLinx is providing the type and level of service that the Province wants and are doing it for a lot less subsidy the VIA would require. Can you imagine a VIA train loading 700 people at an intermediate station. It would take hours through the two doors that they would have open. I have watched a VIA train take 10 minutes to load 50 passengers then have a GO train come in and load 700 in 2 minutes. Lets keep VIA as far away from the commuter game as possible. While GO has trouble thinking anything other than FRA TC compatible equipment, at least they look at different designs.If GO/MetroLinx wanted to increase their average speed to something approaching electric locomotive hauled trains they could run AC locomotives and put one at either end. AC has an initial tractive effort of 30 – 45% higher than DC and using two locomotives would double that. You would end up with initial acceleration rates of 260 to 290% of today’s. That would improve speed a lot more than increasing the maximum speed. Look at the amount of time that the train spends accelerating versus running at 160 km/h in commuter service. GO will not do that because the cost for the locomotives would be very high, but the operating cost would probably be similar, higher fuel versus lower wages due to time saved.
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bylQhhbdfyzSJQwr departure times of 06:15 and 07:30. The E.A. included train graphs which implied journey times of two hours from Kicthener to Union (assuming all stops… I reckon skipping everything between Georgetown and Union would save about 20 mins).My big question: why is GO doing this and not VIA? VIA already provides service between Toronto and Kitchener, so why not just provide VIA with the means to run extra trains? Having two providers means that you have to choose between them when you buy a season ticket, and then the existence of the other company’s trains is moot. I’d rather see one company run five trains a day each way than VIA run 3/day and GO run 2/day (which the current plan). (My assumption is that tickets will only be valid on one, not both. I’d love to be proved wrong, and see a ticket valid on both for the same price as valid on GO only).The cynic is me thinks it’s because the province wants to see “Ontario’s” train company provide the service, not “the feds’”. I worry that VIA will loose revenue because GO will probably offer cheaper tickets, potentially affecting service beyond Kitchener where VIA is the only choice.Steve: VIA has plans to run many more trains per day each way on this line, but there is an argument between VIA and the Goderich & Exeter which leases the line from CN for at least the next few years. Isn’t private enterprise wonderful? You don’t need a government department to get in the way of better service. GO carries a bigger stick than VIA.
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VcKvdLUCVmZj Steve: One huge annoyance of the VIA schedules and the small number of trains is that a perfect market for students to the many universities along the line (London, K-W, Guelph, not to mention Toronto) is not served because there are not enough trains and their schedules suit the railway, not the passengers.In its current state, VIA is totally unsuitable for students for a few major reasons:- A return fare costs about $45, and requires an ISIC card, which is a hassle to get (they don’t accept regular university student cards).- The schedule at Kitchener is so infrequent that if you miss your train, you may have to wait until the next day, and it’s impossible to have a flexible schedule.- The Kitchener station is not easily accessible from the universities. There’s no reason students would take the VIA train when Greyhound is much cheaper ($25 return fare), the buses run every hour at peak time, the travel time is about the same, and the buses are easier to access than the train station. During peak hours Greyhound buses even stop at the universities, and off-peak they stop at the bus terminal. And Greyhound tickets are transferable – you can use them at any date or time before they expire (3 months), unlike VIA tickets which are only valid on a particular date and time. So if you happen to catch a ride with someone else, you can still use your Greyhound ticket the following weekend.
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